A profound comparison

[louixo]

The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper. It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe - and possibly to the rest of the world.


REMEMBER AS YOU READ -- IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER


ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz ... We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe ..
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The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai



Economics:
(zero)

Physics:
(zero)

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 SEVEN

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996- Lu RoseIacovino
TOTAL: 129!


The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Muslims and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ." Benjamin Netanyahu

General Eisenhower Warned Us It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect:

'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some ******* will get up and say that this never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated' while many people looked the other way.

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some group in the United States ?

 

[witness23]

 

[scottm4211]

I didn't read it all but was the phrase "Wake up, White people" used?
:confused.

 

[greg334]

A profound comparison?

I'm sorry if this offends anyone but WE that the writer speaks of is a European WE, not a US WE. We, the US we were not part of the killing of millions that went beyond the Jews, we were not in Russia and the Ukraine when people were starved by the millions, we were not in Germany when more than just Jews were hunted down and killed, we were not in Belgium when the Germans systematically tried to starve the population into submission, we were not in Kosevo when Orthodox Christians were killing Muslims and Catholics.

We are the United States who has learned how to allow people of different races and religions to actually live somewhat together.

We didn't create places where we could just stick people in to live among their own kind, we didn't limit those who wanted to better themselves because of their religion or even in most cases their race.

We didn't cause the problems with colonialism.

We don't have massive riots in the streets by one or another religious group and when we have a confrontational situation, it is talked about in both the press and public openly.

The Nobel prize, as the UN is no measure of contributions to humanity a religion or group makes. We can thank the Arabs for their desire to seek out knowledge when our own religious desire was to enslave people and caused destruction of human knowledge up to the point where the Arabs took over the quest.

It is those Arabs who saved the knowledge of humanity that gives us Plato, Philo, Abdaraxus and Harkhebi. They used the past to build on a foundation to make great discoveries that we have used ever since and they did it while we were re-learning skills lost.

"who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride. "

But wasn't this said by the many Europeans for more than 100 years about the Jews? These exact words seem to be echoing Germany's and France's words when they were trying to come to grips with their own identity crisis and their own internal problems. Hitler, among others, blamed those who he knew didn't cause Germany to fail and in France, examples like the persecution of Dreyfus and others seemed to indicate Napoleon's attempt to treat Jews and others with equality took a 180 degree turn just 80 years later with their complicity happening even today with the same style of rhetoric against the Muslims they controlled in their colonies.

"Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems."

That is a good cop out.

Many actually do take education seriously, many others can't help but get what they can and feel that they too are part of the same group that are blamed for the problems they encounter in places like Spain, France and Germany. We easily forget that Europe all that kind to their colonies because they exploited them and in many cases still do, they didn't want an educated subject, they wanted to enslave them so to depend on the whims of Europe to survive. Europe has an obligation to learn how to help assimilate people into their culture without demanding those who want a better life to sacrifice their culture and their religion in doing so. The have an obligation to learn how to eliminate the doubt about their future that the average Arab has when they are living in London, Paris or Munich.

IT is the same European mindset that allowed people like Hitler and Mussolini, Faure and others to take control of the country and 'solve' the problem so now we are seeing Europe cry at the same time limiting the liberties and rights of people who they blame for their own problems of not being able to understand or want to understand how and why they have no real incentive to become part of the world they live in.

 

[EnglishLady]

"Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum..........."

Actually this was reported by the BBC to have been an email hoax .... note the year




2009 version of the Email:
On 2009-NOV-06 this website received an Email containing the latest version of the hoax. It had changed only slightly from the original rendering.

We suspect that may have been written by a Christian author because of:

The anti-Muslim theme,

The lack of mention of two groups targeted by the Nazi Holocaust: Jehovah's Witnesses and homosexuals, and

The apparent exaggeration of some of the numbers mentioned.

The emphasis on Christians and priests as victims.


This is one of the versions of the Email circa 2008. Some punctuation has been corrected:
General Eisenhower Warned Us:
It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead. He did this because he said in words to this effect:


'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some ******* will get up and say that this never happened'
This week, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet.. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests

Who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beat, experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way!

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people! Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim [sic] in the U.S. ???

Do not just delete this message; it will take only a minute to pass this along.

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE...SOMEONE HAD TO PAY FOR IT

God Bless America !

If you can read this...thank a teacher.
If you can read this in English.....thank a veteran.

 

[witness23]

Actually this was reported by the BBC to have been an email hoax .... note the year

Thank you......hence the facepalm I posted. By the way, this isn't the first time this has been posted in the Soapbox.....I know, shocking, isn't it?

 

[EnglishLady]

Thank you......hence the facepalm I posted. By the way, this isn't the first time this has been posted in the Soapbox.....I know, shocking, isn't it?

You are welcome

 

[Turtle]

I don't know if people actually believe this stuff, if they are getting senile, or if it could be considered trolling at a certain point...

To end 2007 on an upbeat note, LBD first posted it here in the Soapbox on 12.31.07 for all to enjoy. The date of the unnamed "Spanish" newspaper in that posting was Tue, 22 May 2007 14:30:20 -0500.
http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/29262-profiling-not-allowed.html

Then, it was posted by our very own Louixo on 08.08.09 here in the Soapbox. The date of the "article" from the presumably same unnamed newspaper on this one is Tue, 15 January 2008 14:30:20 -0500. (posted in the same newspaper, seven months apart, but at the identical time? What a coincidence!)
http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/loading-dock/37980-lesson-spanish-writer.html

It was once again posted, albeit in abbreviate form, by Luoixo on 11.11.10. (I wonder if he has a think about month/day being the same?) The published date given on this posting was also Jan 15, 2008, but sadly no time of publication was given.
http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/44328-spanish-newspaper.html

Then, if that's not enough, it was posted buried in amongst a plethora good tidings and common sense by the inimitable golfournut with the oft-used disclaimer of, "This came in an email. I haven't verified it," which is very often Internet code for "I didn't verify it, because I believe it, so there."
http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/46493-shariah-4-america.html

And now we have it posted here, once again by the prolific Louixo, only this time sans publication date at all. I guess with no date of publication, and certainly no newspaper name, it makes it slightly harder to verify or debunk, despite the fact that it has been long ago debunked as a work of pure fiction. But, hey, if you're looking to get all frothy and don't mind facts getting in the way, it's a great read.

 

[BillChaffey]

If it's fiction getting in the way of facts, are you saying the Nobel Prize list are fiction?.

 

[Turtle]

Not at all. But the inclusion of the list in the context of such a fictional piece, as if that list means something important within that context, means nothing other than to reinforce the beliefe that Jews, and by extension everine else, are somehow inherently better than Muslims. Like I said, those who are looking to get frothy, will eat it up, as it bolsters their own prejudices and hatred.

The very first sentence in this thread us a lie. The second sentence sets the stage to make people beloved that lie, and to justify that lie. Everything else within the post, all the conclusions, as well as the additional lies, are all within that context.

 

[Turtle]

Incidentally, here's the list of Nobel Laureates by country:

United States - 270
United Kingdom - 101
Germany - 76
France - 49
Sweden - 30
Switzerland - 22
Netherlands - 15
Italy - 14
Denmark - 13
Japan - 12
Austria - 11
Canada - 10
Australia - 6
Spain - 6
Argentina - 5
Ireland - 5
Israel - 5
Poland - 5
South Africa - 5
India - 4

Other than absolutely nothing, I'm not sure what this means, but it must mean something that I or someone else can use against somebody we don't like.

A total of 40 females and 773 males who received the Nobel Prize. In the context of the above "article", clearly, women don't contribute much, especially since there are more women than men on the planet. Obviously, women and Muslims are no different, but considering the percentage of women versus the percentage of men, women are even worse than Muslims, if you can imagine that.

Give me enough time, and I can prove to you that Muslims were the ones who were really the orchestrators of the Qur'an burning at the Dove Outreach Center in Orlando, as well as Bush the Idiot was the mastermind behind the 911 attacks. I can also show you a direct link between those who watched Leave it to Beaver when they were kids, and heart disease today.

Don't laugh, people believe this crap, just like they believe that Obama's long form birth certificate is a fake, and that the above piece was written by some Spanish guy and published not once, but twice in a Spanish newspaper (Spain, incidentally, has the most bloody history with, and the most hatred for Muslims of any country in the world, which is why it's sooooo important to have had that published in Spain).

 

[golfournut]

I don't know if people actually believe this stuff, if they are getting senile, or if it could be considered trolling at a certain point...

To end 2007 on an upbeat note, LBD first posted it here in the Soapbox on 12.31.07 for all to enjoy. The date of the unnamed "Spanish" newspaper in that posting was Tue, 22 May 2007 14:30:20 -0500.
http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/29262-profiling-not-allowed.html

Then, it was posted by our very own Louixo on 08.08.09 here in the Soapbox. The date of the "article" from the presumably same unnamed newspaper on this one is Tue, 15 January 2008 14:30:20 -0500. (posted in the same newspaper, seven months apart, but at the identical time? What a coincidence!)
http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/loading-dock/37980-lesson-spanish-writer.html

It was once again posted, albeit in abbreviate form, by Luoixo on 11.11.10. (I wonder if he has a think about month/day being the same?) The published date given on this posting was also Jan 15, 2008, but sadly no time of publication was given.
http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/44328-spanish-newspaper.html

Then, if that's not enough, it was posted buried in amongst a plethora good tidings and common sense by the inimitable golfournut with the oft-used disclaimer of, "This came in an email. I haven't verified it," which is very often Internet code for "I didn't verify it, because I believe it, so there."
http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/46493-shariah-4-america.html

And now we have it posted here, once again by the prolific Louixo, only this time sans publication date at all. I guess with no date of publication, and certainly no newspaper name, it makes it slightly harder to verify or debunk, despite the fact that it has been long ago debunked as a work of pure fiction. But, hey, if you're looking to get all frothy and don't mind facts getting in the way, it's a great read.

Priceless! Good tidings and common sense, apparently you didn't read that whole thread all knowing!

 

[Turtle]

Actually I did. The "good tidings and common sense" is called sarcasm.

 

[BillChaffey]

Thank you kindly for the explanation.

 

[Turtle]

You're welcome.

 

[AMonger]

A total of 40 females and 773 males who received the Nobel Prize. In the context of the above "article", clearly, women don't contribute much, especially since there are more women than men on the planet. Obviously, women and Muslims are no different, but considering the percentage of women versus the percentage of men, women are even worse than Muslims, if you can imagine that.

Well, that's not entirely true. Muslims have a cultural tendency to place little value on education, preferring (generally, with some exceptions, of course) the 7th century to the 21st.

I saw an infographic on intelligence. It was a map of the world, shaded to represent average intelligence. Japan was 2-3 points ahead of the US and Canada, and iirc so were a couple other western European countries like The Netherlands, then most of the world was 2-3 points below that, and Africa and middle eastern countries were something like 7-8 points below that.
When you eschew education over the course of generations...
It was a man's world in the West for centuries, and if you don't believe it, consult James Brown, so women are well behind in the count. Imagine how long it will take Muslim women to catch up, if we can ever free them from cliterectomies (can you believe Swype didn't know that word?), burqas, beatings and honor killings.

I was watching that National Geographic special on TV a few weeks ago on which they covered how remote people lived and survived in harsh conditions. On part of it, they featured how caravans trek through the desert, having to stop at a well to draw water to make it to their destination. It's unmarked, so if you don't know how to get there, or if you lose track of how many sand dunes you've passed, you get lost and run out of water. Caravans of travelers have perished this way.

I'm guessing I'm hardly the only Westerner who thought, "Hey, here's an idea...LET'S MARK THE ••••••• WELL!! It's crazy, but it might just work! We'll build a tower and put some flags or reflective metal on it or something. Hey, instead of counting sand dunes, let's put up some SIGNS!"

No, there are good reasons why Muslims are behind the rest of the world in intellectual pursuits, and most of them are self-imposed. When the rest of the world is using Droids and one group is still conducting honor killings, the solution to our problems of living together might just happen when modern man leaves this dying, exhausted planet on starships for some place new, and Muslims won't get on because they prefer traveling via camel. There, you have the entire planet all to yourselves.

 

[golfournut]

Actually I did. The "good tidings and common sense" is called sarcasm.

10-4, so the article fit right in!

 

[louixo]

I did post his before, but the following passage rang true and looked different to me when i received it again.

"The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Muslims and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ." Benjamin Netanyahu"

I also remember that part (BBC) of it was a reported hoax, but the above passage does make a point to me, even if some disagree. Whatever it makes good reading and won't change the world.