A candidate with guts?

EnglishLady

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BBC World News in America

Matt Frei

As a journalist, I am rooting for Donald Trump to plunge headlong into the presidential race. He will of course be entertaining. His hair will flop like a doormat in the chill winds of Iowa. It will labour and droop in the humid air of Florida. He will wave his fist, parade his beautiful daughters and smile about his wives. He will, no doubt, "fire" any number of real and imaginary foes, pick fights with the Chinese, squirm about his connections to Wall Street and tie himself into a few knots about why he called President Barack Obama "amazing and phenomenal" in his modestly entitled book, Think Like a Champion.
And of course Donald Trump has already had a campaign plane for years, parked at La Guardia airport in New York, with his short name in super-sized letters emblazoned on the belly.

Trump is a brand, a showman, an icon. But he is no joke. Karl Rove, that Machiavellian master of elections, got it wrong. Trump may never even get close to owning that once renewable lease on the white house on Pennsylvania Avenue. But he represents a chunk of this country that yearns for a blunt-speaking, successful man to take America firmly by the hand and slay its various dragons.

Trump is from the gut, as George W Bush used to like saying about himself. And "guts" is something in relatively short supply if you look at the current line-up of Republican contenders. Mitt is cerebral with almost extra-terrestrial perfection. You're afraid that if you pinch him your finger will glow. Tim is too nice to be truly of the gut. Mike's guts are diluted by his sense of humour. Newt only does bespoke gut. That leaves the potential women candidates, Sarah and Michelle. Plenty of guts there, for sure. As they used to say about Margaret Thatcher: "She's the best man we've got."

The point about The Donald's flirtation with presidential politics is that he sees America's deep rut of self-doubt as an opportunity. The Republican Party is scrabbling around for a suitable candidate like perhaps never before. This is a party in search of itself. The old genteel rule of allowing a dauphin to rise to the helm no longer works. These are ranks fraught with insurrection. It's a bit like the Apprentice. Anyone can have a go. Guts will not be the only quality that a successful candidate needs. Sound judgement, clear policies and money also help. The Donald has at least one of the above
 

chefdennis

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In the end, I don't think he will run...but until the primaries, he is sure sticking it to the media and the barry and his politics...
 

Pilgrim

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Trump brings out some interesting subject matter that none of the politically correct candidates want to discuss. However, let's hope this doesn't turn out to be another Ross Perot scenario. About the only way the GOP can lose this election is to have some spoiler like Trump jump in and wind up as an independant splitting the Republican vote. Contrary to what the mainstream media would have us believe, Obama will lose to almost any reasonable candidate the GOP nominates, so long as he/she is a person of character with experience as an executive and a reasonable amount of charisma. The Obama mystique is gone now, and he has a track record - a really bad one. The media will not be able to sell the fantasy the American public so easily bought in 2008. The GOP just needs to get its act together and establish a platform of fiscal conservatism, a strong defense and a reasonable foreign policy that doesn't try to police the world. The public will vote their from pocketbooks in 2012 like never before - It's the Economy Again, Stupid!
 

blackpup

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Trump brings out some interesting subject matter that none of the politically correct candidates want to discuss. However, let's hope this doesn't turn out to be another Ross Perot scenario. About the only way the GOP can lose this election is to have some spoiler like Trump jump in and wind up as an independant splitting the Republican vote. Contrary to what the mainstream media would have us believe, Obama will lose to almost any reasonable candidate the GOP nominates, so long as he/she is a person of character with experience as an executive and a reasonable amount of charisma. The Obama mystique is gone now, and he has a track record - a really bad one. The media will not be able to sell the fantasy the American public so easily bought in 2008. The GOP just needs to get its act together and establish a platform of fiscal conservatism, a strong defense and a reasonable foreign policy that doesn't try to police the world. The public will vote their from pocketbooks in 2012 like never before - It's the Economy Again, Stupid!

Very good points Pilgrim. Hopefully Trump will not be that big of a distraction .

jimmy
 

layoutshooter

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It is kinda hard to use the word "character" and Trump in the same sentence. At least character in the HONORABLE sense.
 

blackpup

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Trump is definitely a character or some thing I am not allowed to say on this forum. If he got elected I would very much have my doubts about the American voter, but then Obama got elected ? Sends shivers up and down my back bone.

jimmy
 

layoutshooter

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Trump is definitely a character or some thing I am not allowed to say on this forum. If he got elected I would very much have my doubts about the American voter, but then Obama got elected ? Sends shivers up and down my back bone.

jimmy

Yep, ANOTHER election and all we get for candidates, AGAIN, is two trucks loads of BS!!
 

witness23

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Obama will lose to almost any reasonable candidate the GOP nominates, so long as he/she is a person of character with experience as an executive and a reasonable amount of charisma.

You are stating the obvious. Reasonable, character, experience and charisma, do ya think that would make a good candidate? I'm not sure if that person you described above would win, but, it would make things interesting and it could be anyone's ballgame. I have to ask you though, who is that Republican candidate? Because I am not seeing that person as of yet.

And when you say experience as an executive, are you saying a business executive?
 

Pilgrim

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You are stating the obvious. Reasonable, character, experience and charisma, do ya think that would make a good candidate? I'm not sure if that person you described above would win, but, it would make things interesting and it could be anyone's ballgame. I have to ask you though, who is that Republican candidate? Because I am not seeing that person as of yet.
You're right - one would think that it would be easy to find a candidate with the above qualities. Take Mitt Romney for instance; he has all of the above, but he also has the RomneyCare baggage. The candidate will also have to be a solid conservative without being perceived as too far to the right. Scratch Romney unless he can overcome his Mass. health plan. Any other possibilities? Your guess is as good as mine.
And when you say experience as an executive, are you saying a business executive?
Yep - either that or having served in a capacity such as that of state governor. By "executive experience" I mean having been in a position where critical decisions are made by someone who has to live with the consequences and be held accountable; also someone who has dealt with budgets and understands economic and financial matters. The current occupant of the White House is clueless about the latter, and the state of the US economy and the federal deficit are evidence of his ignorance. Unfortunately, the next generation of Americans will be the ones to pay the price for the gullibility of the voters in 2008.
 

layoutshooter

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I have no idea what Trump's politics are like. I DO know that there is, as of right now at least, not one conservative candidate running from either party. Not there has ever been on in my lifetime which is EXACTLY why we are in such a financial mess. Decades and decades of liberal tax and spending. FAR too much time put into the "government" answer. Time for the government to dry up and blow away.

It would be EXTREMELY interesting to have a TRUE conservative run for president. THEN there would be change, trading liberals under different party names gets you nothing but the same old mess.
 

blackpup

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I know this is not going to sit well with a lot of people and may be considered a joke. When Sarah Palin decided to raise Trig Palin instead of having an abortion, this meant some thing to me. It has to be tough to raise a chid with Downs syndrome. This is a lifetime commitment to another individual. Even if it is your own child, this is a display of grit to my way of thinking.

I do not know much about her other qualifications or political views. But at least she seems to have some character.


jimmy
 

layoutshooter

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I know this is not going to sit well with a lot of people and may be considered a joke. When Sarah Palin decided to raise Trig Palin instead of having an abortion, this meant some thing to me. It has to be tough to raise a chid with Downs syndrome. This is a lifetime commitment to another individual. Even if it is your own child, this is a display of grit to my way of thinking.

I do not know much about her other qualifications or political views. But at least she seems to have some character.


jimmy

I agree with you on her standing with that child. I don't think she has the qualifications for president. We ALREADY have a bum in there that had no clue when he started and STILL has no clue today. All he does is what the "PuppetMaster" tells him to do. Which is wipe out the economy. IF this buffoon was not doing SO much damage to this nation it would be FUNNY watching him run around like a chicken with his head cut off.

We REALLY need an ADULT with some life experience. This kid is really bad!
 

witness23

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You're right - one would think that it would be easy to find a candidate with the above qualities.

I didn't say it would be easy to find someone with those qualities.

Take Mitt Romney for instance; he has all of the above, but he also has the RomneyCare baggage.

The fringe-right might call that baggage but I'm not sure the majority of Americans would place that in the negative column. But that's a whole different debate.

The candidate will also have to be a solid conservative without being perceived as too far to the right.

If they have any affiliation with the TeaPartiers or only go on FoxNews for interviews, they will be perceived as too far right, good luck with that. Like or not, the Republican candidate will have to keep Fox and the Tea Party Express at arms length.

Scratch Romney unless he can overcome his Mass. health plan. Any other possibilities? Your guess is as good as mine.

If Romney tries to distance himself from his healthcare in Mass., then he is being disingenious and playing politics. Own it!
 

layoutshooter

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Gee Witness, do you think that the "Tea Party" are conservatives?


I do like that they have done what Americans SHOULD be doing. They became politically active. They spoke up. No matter what the is FAR better than sitting back and taking it in the ear as most do now and have been doing for 50 or 60 years. At least they took a stand. You don't have to agree with the politics. Fox News has NOTHING to do with this. Drop the ragging on entertainers. It's not their fault that they are too dense to find a REAL job.
 
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